Codeberg and GitHub

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DaveTheCoder That's obvious, but what's the reason for using a service like github? You can use git on your local platform if your only need is version control.

Backup, access from various machines and for collaborators, project management and communication features, not needing to mess with server side setup, etc.. I didn't say I need only version control. By "private" I meant invisible to everybody who doesn't have the access.

Erich_L

I have been very happy with using Gitlab for all my Godot projects. The only time it didn't quite fit was when I was working on a project with more than ~5 people. After working with enough people, getting things in working order with new contributors has been fairly straightforward. Best to avoid re-uploading huge assets though (big textures... ect) or it will eat up your memory. I also am a fan of just microsoft's oneDrive which keeps my stuff backed up on multiple devices.

I initially chose Gitlab b/c it seemed to align better with open-source happy feelings.

kuligs2

Erich_L gitlab cant be trusted https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/04/gitlab_data_retention_policy/ it wanted to pull a unity/ubisoft/ adobe on its users.. The people pressured them but for how long.. eventually corpos will do whatever they want..

Self host is the only way.. also forget onedrive, use syncthing..all you need is a server (physical machine), Or if you never turn off your home pc then youre all set. Syncthing is as easy as just install, point to a folder, add other pc's via qrcode or key. thats it.. no port forwards, nothing, it just works 😃

Erich_L

kuligs2 That article is both old and just a rumor. I wouldn't suggest relying on any one service. I spent the day listening to data science podcasts and the there's a consensus that you'd better build your systems to not be too tied in to any one service. I use two services which means one can be a backup (either onedrive or gitlab).
The onedrive subscription gives me access to office apps which I enjoy, and I also enjoy how easy onedrive is to setup on all my devices.
There's so much work on my plate I unfortunately have no desire whatsoever to self-host anything.

kuligs2

Erich_L I completely understand the lazyness to mess with self host stuff.. i hate when things suddenly break for no reason too.. But you gotta think what kind of data you create and store, if its sensitive or personal, why would you want to store it on someones else computer?

And lately corporations are just being too scummy about their products. Look at adobe, SNOY, the list goes on..

Tomcat

Erich_L The onedrive subscription gives me access to office apps

Well, onedrive is not an option at all. I'm absolutely not going to be tied to any service, especially from M$.

Tomcat

Either I don't understand something, or GitHub is bullshit.

I wanted to share a project. I'm trying to upload files:

Yowza, that’s a lot of files. Try uploading fewer than 100 at a time.

WTF? There are 124 files in the project (without the .godot folder). Okay, we'll upload in installments. Well, yep, sure:

Yowza, that’s a big file. Try again with a file smaller than 25MB.

What are you talking about? I have a file SwimmingPool.tscn (courtyard) — 52 Mb by the way. Where do I shove it?

How do you work with GitHub? It doesn't make sense to me.

What are the options? Other than uploading it to an exchange and providing a link.

kuligs2

Tomcat like with every free service, you have limits. Tho im not sure but i recently uploaded my project, its small, but binaries are large, so idk.. I dont have paid gh account or anything.. freshly made account.

Thats why im telling you - self host 😃..

You could use gitlab?

In any case the defaults across all these git platforms are from 25mb - 100mb..

If you have something larger then seek other options..

Toxe

Tomcat How do you work with GitHub? It doesn't make sense to me.

I work with it just like any other Git repository, meaning I don't use the GitHub website for anything that has to do with file management or editing but instead just a normal, local Git client (or in my case simply Git on the command line). The GitHub repository is just another remote where I can push to or pull from.

I am not sure about maximum project sizes though. I think 1 GB?

Tomcat

kuligs2 like with every free service, you have limits.
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In any case the defaults across all these git platforms are from 25mb - 100mb..

I understand the limitations and I would be fine with 100Mb per file. 👌

freshly made account.

How did you do that? 😮 Are you a sorcerer? 🧙 What spell did you use? 🪄

Tomcat

kuligs2 Thats why im telling you - self host

Toxe but host their repositories on their own systems.

Own hosting, it's a good idea… probably… the problem is the realities of modern life… in short — politics. I can't set up a website at home:

I must be able to access my contents from wherever I happen to be in the world.
It is extremely desirable that those who work with me can also access it.
…and my home… well, I could lose it at any time… along with the server. It's war.

I even bought a powerful tablet to have mobility. But under the new rules, it can be taken away when boarding an airplane. So even physically transporting my work on any medium is not a reliable way to do it.

Toxe Is this a completely new file or does it contain changes?

New.

Toxe

Looks like it's all a bit fuzzy but 100 GB seems to be the hard cap for GitHub repository sizes although GitHub advises to keep it under 1 GB and may send a notice when getting over 5 GB (but it sounds like you can talk to them about it). And 100 MB is the maximum file size you can upload.

All of this is for free repositories. I have no idea if things change if you have a paid account.

GitHub supports Git LFS though, so that helps a bit when working a lot with bigger files because Git isn't really a good option if you have big binary files. Git was made for text diffs after all.

And that's why a lot of game developers don't use Git for their projects but for example Perforce instead. And also why they don't use GitHub but host their repositories on their own systems. Games are big after all and for non-hobbyist games GitHub will eventually get too limiting.

Tomcat

Toxe And 100 MB is the maximum file size you can upload.

I can't 😾

Toxe

Tomcat I read something about a maximum diff size. 25 MB? Not sure. Is this a completely new file or does it contain changes?

Toxe

Tomcat Well that sucks. ☹️ Can't you just rent a small server from some provider somewhere or let someone else from a more "stable" country do it?

kuligs2

Tomcat I must be able to access my contents from wherever I happen to be in the world.

can you not forward ports? I forwad ports and i was once victim of bot farm ddos attack year or more back. someone was trying to access my ssh so i just blocked the port. Then i just set up vpn (wireguard) and the rest is history.

Now i open only public ports and for my lan stuff i just use a vpn tunnel.

Tho its one way, meaning you can access stuff on your LAN but LAN cant access the client machine you connected from.

I tried to play a game withmyself (godot test) but i could not connect from home LAN to my client PC from another network through vpn.. Im sure there are IP tables and routes you could set up, im just not smart enough and for me this setup is enough..

Tomcat

Toxe Can't you just rent a small server

“Rent” is a financial issue.

Tomcat

kuligs2 can you not forward ports?

Nope, of course. If (when) I evacuate, the apartment can be confiscated along with the server — we have such rules (or rather we have no rules — early medieval times — "the lord is always right").

Tomcat

Does anyone have anything to say about Atlassian?

Megalomaniak

Tomcat You mean bitbucket? Probably a bit better than github for storing files other than code but not much. That is to say binary blobs with LFS. But other than that not sure I have much more to say.

If you are trying to find something perfect then you'll probably be searching forever. "Perfect is the enemy of good enough" is the adage that comes to mind.

I think you might actually want perforce with HelixDAM

Tomcat

Megalomaniak You mean bitbucket?

Yeah, that includes.

If you are trying to find something perfect then you'll probably be searching forever.

I'm not looking for something perfect in this world. I didn't create it, so there can't be an ideal a priori.

I am looking for something that will not cause me such emotions (here the word “mosquitoes” (komary) should be replaced with “GitHub”):

My current project is not about revelations and discoveries, and was intended primarily to try to practice working together and storing work. Well, a negative result, in a way, is also a result.

I think you might actually want perforce with HelixDAM

Thank you, I will study it in more detail. But at first glance, this service is not available in the country I am in. And they ask you to specify the country to get the free version.

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