Talk about anything

CLAYOoki

Ah I was hoping for some more plug-and-play resources.
It seems the networking will be a bit of its own project.

Edit: Does anyone know any open-sourced projects that handle all the annoying cases like cheating, multiple servers, and etc?

Nerdzmasterz

CLAYOoki I recall a similar conversation on this. The big answer I got was no. I can see from experience that pirates and hackers are dealt with in various ways.

You could try to keep all of the information on a server, or use a password, but neither of those methods are fool-proof. The server would probably be the best option, if one can afford it.

CLAYOoki

Nerdzmasterz
I found this. It seems pretty promising.

https://heroiclabs.com/blog/tutorials/godot-fishgame/

Erich_L

In my class Box I have this:

func setPopMessage(message : String = "Pop!"):
	_popMessage = message

but where I initialize my Box I'm not getting any auto-complete suggestions for the input:

	var box : Box = createBox(0,0,0)
	box.setPopMessage(NO SUGGESTIONS??? what am I doin wrong?)

Am I missing something?

cybereality

There is nothing to suggest. message is a String, it can be anything you want to type in. The Pop! is just a default parameter that is assigned if the method call is empty.

Erich_L

cybereality Usually when the editor knows the class type it gives you hints for what the func input parameters are.

On another note, does anyone know the name of the material parameter that allows the material to be drawn on top of everything else? I have been looking for quite some time, it's eluding me.

Tomcat

Does it make sense to use the QOI format?

cybereality

I've never heard of that, and I doubt it is useful for anything (considering I've never heard of it). JPG and PNG are already more than fine. In any case, GPUs use their own texture compression, so the file format you use (like JPG) is only for getting it into the editor. Once your game is running on your computer or on a phone, the GPU uses it's own optimized format so it doesn't actually matter.

Tomcat

cybereality I've never heard of that, and I doubt it is useful for anything (considering I've never heard of it). JPG and PNG are already more than fine.

I had not heard about this format, too, so I was surprised. It's kind of claimed to be a "faster PNG".

cybereality I couldn't get the command-line tools working, but I used this website. https://jpegxl.io/

Your browser does not support JPEG XL.😞

Megalomaniak

cybereality I've never heard of that, and I doubt it is useful for anything (considering I've never heard of it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QOI_(image_format)

I think it's mostly up to just how new it is. Seems like something with potential though, and open standards, IMO are always preferable.

Pixophir

Neither knew it. https://qoiformat.org/ Why do I think of fish ? :-)

Use a format that suits you most. I am a fan of PNG for simple images and height map stuff, also because one can make an image in a few lines of code with libpng.

But of course it depends on what you need it for. One stumbles over all kind of formats for all kinds of purposes.

cybereality

JPEG XL is interesting. That will (most likely) be the next industry standard image format (to replace JPEG, PNG, and GIF), so it would make more sense to support that, rather than random formats that will never work with anything. JPEG XL supports high quality lossy and lossless images (with much better quality and file size), transparency, animation, and a whole ton more. Once it is standard, there will likely not need to be any use for JPG/PNG/GIF for a long while.

https://chromeunboxed.com/jxl-jpeg-xl-new-image-file-type-chrome/

Pixophir

Do you know if there is a compressed format on the CPU side where one can still address single pixels ?

Edit: wow, JXL claims 30% better lossless compression than PNG, impressive. Also for 16bit gray scale ? Will risk an eye. There's an implementation here https://github.com/libjxl/libjxl, but it isn't in the Debian repositories yet.

Editedit: It's also rather fat, an allrounder, compared to PNG. But then again, if you want to store a lot of data and have a chance for 30% less demand on space for storage and traffic ...

cybereality

I haven't been able to build the source yet. It's still not 100% final, so it's in constant flux. However the release page on Github has an older .deb file that does work. It at least lets you view the images, I'm trying to convert some stuff now. It's from last year, but it's good enough to test the quality and file size. Support is still not ready (as I said, it's barely final) but there is a GIMP plugin and Chrome just added support.

Kojack

Going back 4 months to when we talked about JPEG XL...

cybereality Support is still not ready (as I said, it's barely final) but there is a GIMP plugin and Chrome just added support

and Chrome has already deprecated JPEG XL and will remove its code. 🙁
Their reasons:

Experimental flags and code should not remain indefinitely
There is not enough interest from the entire ecosystem to continue experimenting with JPEG XL
The new image format does not bring sufficient incremental benefits over existing formats to warrant enabling it by default
By removing the flag and the code in M110, it reduces the maintenance burden and allows us to focus on improving existing formats in Chrome

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Chrome-Dropping-JPEG-XL-Reasons

cybereality

Okay. I couldn't get the command-line tools working, but I used this website. https://jpegxl.io/

cybereality

Tomcat Your browser does not support JPEG XL.😞

Yes, like I said, it's very early. I don't expect support to be out until later this year in a stable release. You can kind of get it working with beta software, like I did, but it's not totally there. But in a few months I expect it will start rolling out. It's honestly going to be pretty big. We get better quality at much lower file size (if you look at the test I did, it's like 25% of the size at the same visual quality). Plus high quality high frame rate animation, that will be much better than GIF. And transparency of compressed images, which is not possible right now (especially important on the web). I'd say within 1 year, it will be the industry standard.

cybereality

Megalomaniak open standards, IMO are always preferable.

Yes, I agree, but with something like an image format, I think wide compatibility may win out. In any case JPEG XL is BSD License and royalty free, so I don't see any issue there.

Tomcat

Krita doesn't work with the new format yet.

Though this release adds support for the new JPEG-XL format, which supports animation, exporting and importing animations in this format gives incorrect results. A fix is pending.

But XnViewMP and GIMP know about it.

I get artifacts when saving from .jpg:

Kojack

The DDS format can be a handy one. Not only does it store many different GPU pixel formats, but it can do block compressed (the various GPU compressed texture formats), cube maps, voxels and custom mip maps.

I might need to do some source digging though, Godot's docs claim to handle loading custom mip maps from DDS files, but it fails on a DDS I've been using since the Ogre3D days.

The interesting thing about QOI for me is the claimed 20-50 times encoding performance vs png. Being able to quickly encode a lossless image for things like frame capture could be useful.
Plus the fact that the entire reference implementation is a single 669 line C header (a third of which is documentation) with no dependencies means it looks damn easy to integrate into small projects or rewrite directly in other languages.

Kojack

Kojack
Seems the DDS custom mip map issue is that Godot assumes a specific number of mipmaps based on the resolution, while the format itself allows a different number of mipmaps. Mine had 7 mip maps, Godot was expecting 10.
It was created with the official Microsoft DirectX texture tool, I assume they know their own format. 🙂
Remaking it with the expected number lets it work.

The point of the test texture I have is each mip map is colour coded. For example first mip map is 512x512 solid red. Second is 256x256 solid green, etc. When you put it on a mesh, the colours you see represent which mip levels are being viewed. If you never see red on the mesh, it means 512x512 is a waste of resolution. (The new one I made is 13 mips with 4096x4096 at the top)

cybereality

Actually, now that I read the website it does look pretty cool. At least for like hobby projects, I'm not sure how useful it would be for production or anything serious. From what I can see, the advantage is in the encoding time, which is pretty impressive. Mostly this is not an issue, but I guess for rendering image sequences that could be useful. Though the file size is slightly more than PNG. So it terms of game development, I'm not sure it matters much. Unless you are batch converting all the assets in a game, exporting a single PNG, even at 4K res, only takes a few seconds. Plus, there would need to be a lot more tooling for exporters and importers and all kinds of stuff. So I don't think it will be that popular, outside of hobby stuff.

KanataEXE

What do you guys think of early access paid tutorial?

Basically, the tutorial covers the basic gameplay, UI, and SFX & Music, but the advanced gameplay is still work-in-progress and will be uploaded later.

cybereality

Yeah, that could work. You could always release like the first video on YouTube for free, and then have paid access on your own site.

KanataEXE

cybereality

Yeah, that's what I think.

I have this tutorial that I want to upload on Udemy, but the advanced stuff is taking too long. So I thought "Just upload the basic stuff, the advanced stuff comes later."

Maybe I should stay quiet about the advanced stuff. I can make it a surprise for the students.

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