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DaveTheCoder

cybereality I really recommend everyone read this book if you want to be successful.
GAMEDEV: 10 Steps to Making Your First Game Successful by Wlad Marhulets.

Okay, I just checked out a digital copy from the local library. Only the audiobook edition was available.

Erich_L

KanataEXE Cool! I am just starting making a Udemy course! Would love to know more about how you're going about it

edit: in other news, crossing my fingers to see if unity crashes and burns. I'm happy just learning godot and unreal for now.

KanataEXE

Erich_L

Currently making one for Shoot 'Em Up game.

I want to claim one since there's none on Udemy.

Erich_L

KanataEXE very cool! Hope it does well!

In doing the prep for my own course, I just realized you can define your own inner classes within a regular script class! My mind? BLOWN!

cybereality

I mean, I dont want Unity to fail. I think it's decent technology (the engine itself), but John Riccitiello doesn't know what he is doing and took the company in the wrong direction. They might still survive, but it will require new leadership and a new direction. And it would be nice to get some refugees coming to Godot, but at the same time Godot isn't quite a 1:1 replacement for Unity (it's better in some areas, worse in others) so it may be too soon to declare victory.

Nerdzmasterz

cybereality I don't want to see Unity fail, either. I actually got more assets on their store than I want to admit, and I don't know if I ever would be able to make up for that possible loss. The marketplace here is lacking (no offense) and needs a ton of new stuff on it. It's not that it's bad, it's just very small ATM. The game engine itself? It seems okay, I think it will be better once Godot 4 is out of alpha stage.

Unity is going to be under my radar, as Godot was for a long time.

cybereality

Scriptception.

Megalomaniak

cybereality It's certainly possible if you make a hit game.

That's a big if tho...

cybereality

Megalomaniak That's a big if tho...

Possibly the biggest if ever. But there are still games with smaller success on Steam and also a huge potential. It is not the case that you need to develop on consoles. Look at these stats from 2020.

Over 50% of indie games never make more than $4,000. These games never generate enough revenue to cover the development time and other costs. Learn more
An average indie game makes $3,947 (this is actually median, average is not a good measure as it’s significantly distorted by top earners).
Over 2/3 of the games don’t cross $10,000 in life time earnings.
However, the top 1/3 of the indie games are doing pretty well. Almost every 1 in 5 indie games makes more than $50,000. Still, this might not mean the game is profitable or a good investment. If the development team was any bigger than one person and took over a year to make, chances are these people would have been better off as full time developers for a big studio.
Top 9% cross the $200k line. Most of these games are probably profitable and a proof that indie games can survive.
The top 1% of indie games make over $7,000,000!

https://vginsights.com/insights/article/infographic-indie-game-revenues-on-steam

You can also see here that indie games make up 95% of Steam.

https://vginsights.com/insights/article/indie-games-make-up-40-of-all-units-sold-on-steam

So if you do the math, you have a 50% chance of losing all your money. And about a 67% chance of not making over $10K, which probably means it does not cover development costs. However, if you get in the upper 33%, you will be doing okay. The top 20% are going to make over $50K. If your game takes under a year to make, and it's a solo project, this is enough to live off of, even in America (and may be much more lucrative overseas since you're making USD). Granted, you could get a normal programming job and make more, but it's still a livable wage to work for yourself and make art. If you are in the top 9%, then you're making over $200K, so a game that took one person 2 years (or 2 people 1 year) you'd be making in the 6-figures. And if you get lucky to get to the top 1% you will make over $7 million. Honestly, this seems like a good gamble, provided you have a good quality game you have faith in.

Audiobellum

cybereality As someone who resides in the rural area of a developing country, $4000 would be a lot of money to me(I'm assuming it's in US or UK currency). This is why I think it's important to be prolific( even though I haven't reached that ideal yet); I also think that developers could make more games that they can afford to sell for cheap. I think developers who are more talented than I am, would have an easier time making a full game in a shorter period of time and probably should. I'm currently sitting on a finished game but, the game is also a template for other games I plan to make in the future. I'm never going to make a game from scratch ever again. Instead, I'll just iterate and improve over what I already have established. If I get the chance today, I'll be playing over my game and recording the footage that I'll turn into promo material. However, I'm also going to get the ball rolling on making a new and improved version of the same game asap. Consistency is the ultimate goal for me; it might minimize the amount of luck I need.

Nerdzmasterz

Now, let me be so bold as to suggest this and am curious on your thoughts. Would a bigger marketplace make Godot more attractive? I suspect it will for Unity devs.

On another note, does anyone know a good place to get animations that run well with Godot and humanoid characters?

Tomcat

Nerdzmasterz On another note, does anyone know a good place to get animations that run well with Godot and humanoid characters?

Creating a character for games in Godot using MakeHuman

Nerdzmasterz

Tomcat Thanks. I'm not using Makehuman, but I know both softwares somewhat and they are nice... assuming one ever figures out Blender. It was fun to play with, but had a very deep learning curve.

I miss the old Blender versions that I understood.

Tomcat

Nerdzmasterz assuming one ever figures out Blender. It was fun to play with, but had a very deep learning curve.

I tried to make it as clear as possible. If something is not clear, you can ask, clarify and I will try to improve the tutorial.

Pixophir

C++ is really a pile of steaming bovine waste 💩 and should never be used to write safety critical systems. And the more I learn about it the more I understand why the Linux kernel guys do not want it in the kernel.

Example, who would remember if they not made that error before that indexing with an operator[] into a map for instance actually changes the map if the key is not found, thus provoking ub in a concurrent environment just with supposed concurrent reader access (that actually is no reader access), if not taken special care of ? And who knows what else is hidden as an error waiting to be made 🦶 🔫 ?

What did Linus say "... and if it is only to keep out the mediocre C++ programmers" or so. Right he is. I would certainly have made that error, wasn't it mentioned as an example in an exercise.

grumblegrumble

:-)

DaveTheCoder

But in C++ you can use cool but obscure expressions such as:
***i++

Nerdzmasterz

🤔

Pixophir

[was piffle from my part]

Nerdzmasterz

This is why I ditched C++ a long time ago.

I would probably go back to Unity in its current state before going back to Unreal.

Pixophir

There's no way around C++. Rust is gaining territory but has the paradigm "You don't know what you're doing so I won't let you". That's a bit the opposite. No, I fear we must sit down on our behinds and learn ...

cybereality

C++ is great, I just don't think most people need that much power or performance. If you do, then you have no choice. But even some of the more advanced ML stuff is moving to GPUs. I think at some point CPUs and GPUs will merge, but the architecture will probably be more like GPUs. Basically a huge set of parallel streams that are fully programmable. Because x86 is a dead end at this point. Or at least it has the potential, but the software can't take advantage. While with GPUs you can essentially reach 100% potential today.

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