My beef is that any time I tried to learn C++, they cover the basics only, or only very advanced stuff. It

    The end of the touring machine ? Why not.

    Somehow the programming languages have not kept up the pace with the hardware development, I take it. C++ just has too many elements that change semantics depending on context. Who knows them foot guns all ? Edit: I'd say C++ is very well for programming let's say OSI level 5+. Btw., it has some power to it, but C and lately Rust are quite a bit off, for the sacrifice of flexibility.

    But not all problems lend themselves well to parala pallalel parlay ? Aren't games a good example ? Edit, aside from rasterization and/or ray-tracing ofc.

    Nerdzmasterz My beef is that any time I tried to learn C++, they cover the basics only, or only very advanced stuff

    It took me a lot of books, looking at other code, trying out my own things, until I got a grasp. I may be not the brightest candle in the candelabra, I confess +/-2 years, on and off, and still I sometimes sit there awe struck.

        Better than me. I grabbed Unreal and followed a guy's YouTube to the letter, grabbed courses, left C++, came back a few times, joined the academy and tried to figure it out without much luck...

        Unity was way more my style.

        Maybe I will try to tackle C++ again someday, just for the sake of Unreal's graphics. Sorry, Godot and Unity, my horror games and VR worlds should look very realistic.

        An example of what I mean- this was actually done for my first game in Unreal- it was nothing fancy, just a game I was making with a tutorial, but I went crazy with the look and feel of it. Note the accelerant beneath the explosion- a fallen pipe with who-knows-what in it. I also made note to add a liquid underneath which has smaller flames, but you can't see all that here. I was going for the base tutorial game, then add a little timer to see if the player escapes before everything is decimated by flames.

        There's no such thing as a safe programming language, only safe engineering. We defined how to make provable software decades ago, because I was studying it in college. No one uses those methods unless they absolutely have to, because they're slow and expensive. So the software that was not proven drifts slowly into uses that should require proof.*

        This is not peculiar to computers. Every branch of engineering deals with it, but most of them started longer ago.

        * No one agrees on what should require proof, because everyone values life and safety differently, usually depending on whether it's theirs or someone else's.

          Pixophir But not all problems lend themselves well to parala pallalel

          Yes, that's the point. If you read the OS book I linked to, it might make more sense. Most of the slowdown on computers is not the computation. It's the IO a good amount of the time. And many tasks need to be executed in a particular sequence. So even if we got 4096-core processors tomorrow, our computers would probably not get much faster at all. Some things would be much faster though. Ray tracing, baked shadows (which is sort of ray tracing anyhow), password cracking, search algorithms or other pure data processing. There would be benefits. But in day to day computing, using your web browser, managing files, etc. it's unlikely things will get much faster.

              cybereality It's the IO a good amount of the time.

              SSD drives can be 30x as fast as mechanical hard drives. That makes a huge difference.

                  If anyone makes tutorials that show how to create a specific thing, try to make it short. There are some tutorials that take like 3 hours and by the time you carefully follow each little step and copy what the teacher's got you have only a rough idea of what just happened, but there's 0 chance you could recreate it after that long process- most of all you're going to want to feel like it's done.

                  It's rough tho, it's hard to know what to google for, as to what feature of an engine to learn and practice. We all get ensnared by the "Recreate a running and shooting talking pilgrim" tutorials.

                  DaveTheCoder SSD drives can be 30x as fast as mechanical hard drives. That makes a huge difference.

                  Yes, but that's not the whole story. For example, the fastest SSD today can read about 7GB per second. However, reading that, you would think an OS would load instantly, or a huge AAA game could open in a couple seconds, but there is still load time. Because there is a lot more going on.

                    duane There's no such thing as a safe programming language, only safe engineering.

                    Certainly true. But my uneducated and slightly humorous 🃏 point was C++ (and its STL) is a particularly bad language for safety critical applications. Unlike for instance C or the new kid on the block for systems programming Rust. It is much easier to get an overview of what a C-program does by looking at it, providing some rules for coding style are observed and to prove that it is correct, than it is for a C++ program because C++ hides too much in documentation small print and compiler high-handedness. Not maliciously, it just has become so because of historical reasons.

                    And C++, because of all its power, enables newcomers like me to do a for instance a render framework without actually knowing or being aware what's going on in the detail, which bears the danger of making code with undefined behaviour just out of good intentions.

                    I may, of course, be totally wrong.

                      cybereality As someone who resides in the rural area of a developing country, $4000 would be a lot of money to me(I'm assuming it's in US or UK currency). This is why I think it's important to be prolific( even though I haven't reached that ideal yet); I also think that developers could make more games that they can afford to sell for cheap. I think developers who are more talented than I am, would have an easier time making a full game in a shorter period of time and probably should. I'm currently sitting on a finished game but, the game is also a template for other games I plan to make in the future. I'm never going to make a game from scratch ever again. Instead, I'll just iterate and improve over what I already have established. If I get the chance today, I'll be playing over my game and recording the footage that I'll turn into promo material. However, I'm also going to get the ball rolling on making a new and improved version of the same game asap. Consistency is the ultimate goal for me; it might minimize the amount of luck I need.

                        I agree, making a template for games is a great way to let you make a game faster, although it takes a while to get to that stage. My zombie game would be a great template for my 2D games, for instance. Another thing I did when starting out was to rewrite all the code. While this is the other side of the same coin and would take forever, it helped etch in my head what the codes did. Much like how I learned how to use the if statement by writing out a number of them. Any more, the if statement is about as easy as the alphabet- so I could move on to using the switch, else if and else statements, and other more complex things.

                        Back when I used it, I could've taught someone the basics of Unity as I surrounded myself with examples of it.

                        I have a lot of prototypes, but I don't reuse projects. Instead, I write my scripts as generic as possible, and then I just copy in what I need. I probably have hundreds of small tests, so it's rare I have to write anything from scratch.

                        I attended a wedding yesterday and got the privilege of sitting next to a senior programming who over the last 8 years has blown through millions of investor dollars on the promise to deliver a educational MMO sold directly to schools currently apparently already testing in Ohio. I had so much fun at his expense, especially after learning about his original timetable and the use of Unity. Game development read like a nightmare across his face hahaha, starting with education seems like a much safer bet. I will still put fruit in space tho, mark my words.

                        I feel like that dude is a free-software Alex Jones, but he's kind of right...

                        Yeuch MS.

                        @cybereality Who's Alex Jones ? I know Davy Jones (Fishface), are they related ? :-)

                        Seriously, where to put stuff in the future ? I mean, it could happen that anything a dev posts under a free license will be relicensed and they themselves be sued for their prior violation of the later rebranding.

                        But I understand now better what AI means ...

                        Been a while since I've uploaded anything, albeit short:

                          Is this something i did wrong or a new forum thing?