The only games I still play are all turn-based and two-dimensional. Realistic adventures are not fun. Just like real warfare, they consist of long periods of boredom followed by short bouts of terror.

However, you have to have realism when you want a player to be able to intuit the next move. If your puzzle isn't based on physics, then you have to spell out every option for the player -- not a problem, as long as you take the time to do it.

The second use for unnecessary realism is creating an emotional reaction. Humans are wired to react to real humans with hair and jiggling and all. If you don't see that in the game, your player's back-brain is thinking, "mannequin!", the whole time. You can still have emotional reactions to simple games, of course, but it's arguably stronger to a realistic character.

The worst drawback to realism (apart from computer requirements) is that any flaw becomes that much more obvious. Even state of the art games tend to suffer from this.

    I'm usually not a big fan of playing realist games, but some really do catch my eye.
    This new FPS game that got famous recently for being crazy realist, Unrecord, looks hella exciting.

    That's quite a limited, reductive opinion IMHO, but anyway OP and everyone are free to have their own, right ?

    I could say it's depend, some game MUST be accurate as much as possible, like Virtual Pool 3 & 4, because an arcade pool game quite sucks (Arcade Pool on Amiga from Team 17 for instance have great visual but that's all, I never really enjoyed this game), same for some kind of sport game (darts, racing sim obviously, flight sim, ...) Accuracy in other game depend, FPS in which player is pretty much invincible and can run like a champion with a few bullets in the legs are ridiculous, they were good in the 90s, but now, it would be just a shame UNLESS it was made this way on purpose.

    To balance that, full accuracy is also not wanted as a monitor doesn't allow to have the same view as our eyes, saves might be useful because we cannot afford to spend a full month behind a game to play in real time, games are still very very limited, even with VR I guess, it could be also boring to die of an infection from a little splinter for a bullet impact nearby whereas it could happen in real life. Lost Patrol also on Amiga quite simulate this kind of insane accuracy and it was not an intense action game.

    After all, the purpose of a game is to have fun in a way or another, for casual player as well as hardcore insane crazy ones.

    duane I think your second use of realism doesn't work, maybe not anymore. Speaking as a certified kid, we don't connect with real humans well. Speaking as myself, I don't connect emotionally at all. I don't connect with depictions of real humans either. At all. Instead, I emotionally connect better with non-animate objects and animals. But when I put it that way, I'm not connecting, am I? It's reactionary, meaning it's probably autism.
    There's this experiment back in 1944:

    I'm spoiling the next paragraph in case you want to try it yourself. Just watch it and think about how you feel watching it.
    Logically, you see shapes moving around. But most who saw this animation back in 1944, and I, instead saw a story of domestic abuse with a good ending. Thanks to zero attempt to make the characters appear human, I emotionally reacted more than I would otherwise. When I see real domestic abuse, I feel the urge to stop it, but no underlying rage or fear. It's just a human being human. With these shapes, I never hated a large equilateral triangle more in my life.
    Others could be different. I don't ask often, because apparently it outs me as some kind of sociopath.

      GodotBeginnerRich For most of my friends, COD introduced them to guns, which introduced them to tanks, which led to a rabbithole to discover they love planes, ultimately resulting in most of them being electrical or aerospace engineers.
      It also gave a few a gaming addiction, so I don't see it as any better or worse than a caffeine habit.

          That video is going to give me nightmares. Someone should make a whole game like that.

            Playing mature games is not actually illegal for kids. It's a voluntary ratings system that only dictates what can be sold. If a parent buys their child COD, that's fine.

              GodotBeginnerRich COD is 18 rated, kids aren't legally allowed to play it... But of course they do anyway due to idiot Parents who let their kids play age rated games.

              So it's the parents who are considered idiots, not those who passed the idiotic law?

              cybereality If a parent buys their child COD, that's fine.

              Common sense prevails.

                  GodotBeginnerRich kids aren't legally allowed to play it

                  AFAIK in most of the world that is not true. The ratings(PEGI and similar) are industries own creation and self regulated(as a group) and they are meant to be indicative. Parental advisory sort of thing. So the parents decide what to buy and let their kids play, or so it's intended at least.

                      Megalomaniak In the UK, it's a crime to "supply" a minor with a "mature video presentation" (games included), unless it's "exempted supply".
                      I'm not a lawyer, nor british, but I'm pretty sure that means the only "crime" in underage gaming is whoever sells/gives the kid Battlefield 3 while holding some legal status that involves giving stuff away or selling stuff. Stores, government, charities.
                      it's under section 11
                      https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/39/section/11
                      Basically, it's not a crime to buy your 15 year old Halo Infinite for christmas. Not that it matters since no one actually enforces the law
                      In America there's no law at all as far as I know, it's purely a "this game's kinda violent" message to the parent. In fact, my first COD game was for the Wii, and I got it because my mom asked the dude at Gamestop what to get a 13 year old.

                      Imagine if you had to send Steam your state ID to prove you can legally buy the big boy games.

                          packrat In the UK, it's a crime to "supply" a minor with a "mature video presentation" (games included), unless it's "exempted supply".

                          Yes, I implied that the parent would be buying it. As in a T for Teen game to a pre-teen say for an example. Mature in that ahem kinda way is a way different thing.

                            packrat Not that it matters since no one actually enforces the law

                            In Russia there is a saying: The cruelty of laws is compensated by their non-enforcement.

                                Tomcat I'm glad. Do you know how many years in jail I've got from "trespassing" cuz the sun sets a little faster than I expect? Oregon wetlands are beautiful at night, it shouldn't be a crime.

                                    Tomcat The trouble with that is they are only enforced for people they don't like. That's why they are so terrible. They allow discrimination.

                                      When I'm playing Euro Truck Simulator 2 with my force feedback wheel and a VR headset, I start thinking about how much I wish it used OpenStreetMap to build the road networks so the map is more realistic (like how X-Plane uses OpenStreetMap for the entire planet).

                                      packrat Yeah my sister in law's sister lives over there with her husband and 2 kids.

                                      She says it's nice.

                                      Although there's one place in the US I'd really like to visit, Hershey, PA, I've had Hershey's chocolate before and it's really nice.

                                          GodotBeginnerRich As an American and a chocolate enthusiast, that's the last place I would have expected anyone to want to visit.
                                          In America, we/I like to bully "fake food". We/I also like bullying corporation, and we/I especially love bullying BIG corporation.
                                          Food's complicated, so I won't get into why Hershey's is barely chocolate, but I will urge you to visit Oregon and one of our millions of whole food stores. How they make 90% cacao chocolate taste so sweet is bizarre. It's a brick of pure choco. It's super bitter for a split second, then you crunch on a big sugar crystal. Suddenly, your whole mouth is sweet. It's awesome.
                                          I think the brand is "Alter Eco" or something yuppie/hippie sounding like that.

                                          I just looked up Hershey, Pennsylvania. It's super americana. Call me a terrorist but I really dislike the americana vision. Therefore my opinion is heavily biased and the smart thing to do would be to ignore it.

                                              I think the reason for all this dislike toward realism is because abstraction is a tool that a lot of major game studios have just kind of forgotten how to use. red dead redemption 2 is a peak example of what I mean. in real life it takes a dedicated amount of time and effort to get on and off a horse, so the game makes it take a while. thing is, if you have to get on your horse, realize you forgot something, and then get back on, it's way more time consuming and annoying than in a game where it's a simple 1 second "hop on/hop off". and the game is littered with moments like these, little touches that add to realism but make the game even more of a chore to play. I consider it the culmination of everything wrong with gaming realism and I'm still shocked it was so loved when it came out. I didn't expect people to hate it or anything, but it seemed like everyone just didn't care that literally everything was such a slog because of how long the animations took!

                                              it just seems like developers these days forget that the old guard did stuff like use dynamite explosions for gun sounds because they sounded more like how guns sound in our head, and made it feel more real even though it was actually more fake!

                                              granted, it's not always a negative. stuff like "snake = poison" or "man with armor is harder to kill" are excellent uses of realism, because they play on our perceptions to give us quick and easy visual identifiers for important stuff.

                                              cybereality check the game "thomas was alone" if you don't know it already, uses a similar concept of only simple shapes allowed.