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packrat

Kojack

@Nerdzmasterz said:

@duane said:

Yeah... AIs don't worry me much.

Some actually learned to plug themselves in.

Nerdzmasterz

cybereality

So I read a book on this exact topic. The issue is that once the AI is significantly smarter and more powerful than us, we won't be able to stop it. Imagine how your pet cat would prevent you from leaving your own house. It's like that.

Nerdzmasterz

In a sense, we turned machines into entities that cannot really feel for people. Now, AIs are amazing- I mean, some things they do are simply stunning! However, they are only machines- tools. What if all our hammers claimed it refused to work for us? IMO, keep them offline, and give them a limited capacity to store information.

If anyone is curious on how AIs think, have a free AI system from Itch. Their thought processes work as follows: Speak to the AIs, and use correctional buttons to help it know if it has done something good or bad. You can even open up their thought process and watch what it is doing.

https://oblivionburn.itch.io/realai

Warning: this gets crazy! :o

Nerdzmasterz

I was poking around and found this:

https://youtu.be/uPoLKQG0gmw

The amount of good ratings for it actually makes Dodge the Creeps seem easy. Perhaps just having a video tut on it would be more helpful?

duane

Young people spent most of the formative time that people my age spent reading, instead watching youtube, etc. It's not surprising that they learn from video better, since they have more experience with it.

I won't make any judgement about whether that's a good or a bad thing -- I haven't got any evidence yet.

cybereality

Yeah, I guess I'm just an old timer. Videos have their place. For example, I do these video courses on Udemy mostly for art, since art tutorials are almost useless as text. And for things in the editor, for example laying out a UI, it is helpful to see the video. But for programming I would rather just read the code.

Nerdzmasterz

I'm cool with reading a tutorial, but it has to be extremely descriptive and have pictures if you want me to grasp things as well as I would by watching it.

packrat

@duane said: Young people spent most of the formative time that people my age spent reading, instead watching youtube, etc. It's not surprising that they learn from video better, since they have more experience with it.

I won't make any judgement about whether that's a good or a bad thing -- I haven't got any evidence yet.

You're probably right. I'm pretty young but I didn't know how useful online videos were until I was maybe 16. My mom got it in my head that video + internet is a combination made in hell. Combined with most of my younger years being too poor to afford internet at all left me with mostly books. Now at 22, I vastly prefer reading tutorials over watching.

Tomcat

There are three things you can watch endlessly: how fire burns, how water flows, and how another person works. YouTube videos belong to the third point. The simple question is, how do the number of views of tutorials on YouTube correlate with actual work projects that come out? Personally, I get the impression that very few people actually learn.

@duane said:

Yeah... AIs don't worry me much.

Well, people need to breathe all the time and eat sometimes… somehow these problems are solved… maybe something will be invented with computer power as well.

Megalomaniak

Tomcat Well, people need to breathe all the time and eat sometimes… somehow these problems are solved… maybe something will be invented with computer power as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply

cybereality

I've noticed the the length of an argument on the internet is inversely proportional to the validity. If you know what you are talking about, you can say it succinctly in one or two sentences. This is why I think those 1 hour videos are mostly bogus, which could be explained simply in 15 minutes.

Or beginners that post about a problem they don't understand, so they have a huge wall of text, when the actual question could have fit in the title. The issue is that they don't know what they are asking. If you can ask a question as simply as possible, then the answer is also as simply as possible. But if you don't know what you are doing, you will find other people that don't know what they are doing, and watch a 100 hour series on how to make an MMORPG and learn nothing.

Nerdzmasterz

There are people who want to teach, and people who want the ad revenue. Those who actually want to teach have excellent videos, but they are hard to come by. Another issue is that beginners sort of don't want to start small, they want to make, like, the next Call of Duty, or something.

This makes hour-long tuts on RPGs popular IMO.

duane

I suspect that effective teaching is only a part of the equation. It's more important to get people interested in the subject. If you're interested, you will learn one way or another. If a video can do that, it doesn't have to be a particularly efficient teacher.

Tomcat

@cybereality said:
I've noticed the the length of an argument on the internet is inversely proportional to the validity. If you know what you are talking about, you can say it succinctly in one or two sentences. This is why I think those 1 hour videos are mostly bogus, which could be explained simply in 15 minutes.

I believe this is true 99.999% of the time… but 0.001% of those requiring detailed answers exist.

@duane said:
I suspect that effective teaching is only a part of the equation. It's more important to get people interested in the subject. If you're interested, you will learn one way or another. If a video can do that, it doesn't have to be a particularly efficient teacher.

Children need to be interested in learning. If an adult wants to learn something, he is already interested in learning. This is the difference between teaching adults and teaching children.

Nerdzmasterz

@Tomcat said: There are three things you can watch endlessly: how fire burns, how water flows, and how another person works. YouTube videos belong to the third point. The simple question is, how do the number of views of tutorials on YouTube correlate with actual work projects that come out? Personally, I get the impression that very few people actually learn.

@duane said:

Yeah... AIs don't worry me much.

Well, people need to breathe all the time and eat sometimes… somehow these problems are solved… maybe something will be invented with computer power as well.

Robots have one weakness that could still be exploited:

Audiobellum

@Nerdzmasterz said: There are people who want to teach, and people who want the ad revenue. Those who actually want to teach have excellent videos, but they are hard to come by. Another issue is that beginners sort of don't want to start small, they want to make, like, the next Call of Duty, or something.

Speaking of COD, I'd like if one of you could signal boost this video into the stratosphere.

Edit: I won't be buying the next COD game anytime soon or even ever but, I do care about the industry. It's why I keep up on the news surrounding games I won't buy.

Nerdzmasterz

Nice website! It looks a lot more professional.

cybereality

Yeah, it's looking good. I liked Vanilla, but this seems way better.

Nerdzmasterz

And messages about new posts on pages you follow are shown as emails!, instead of practically having to stay logged on!

Now, if only I knew how to use the emojis.

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