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cybereality

C# was basically Microsoft's attempt to kill Java (and they pulled it off). It's all the good parts of Java, and all the good parts of C++, but none of the BS. It's actually quite nice as a language. However, I haven't used it much outside of Unity. I know it has gained popularity for GUI apps, and I've done some experiments, and it's better than Java IMO. But if you know one, you know the other, there are just minor differences in the syntax, all the concepts are the same. You'll get paid more probably if you know C++, because the things it is used for are more specialized. And it's good to know, because learning C/C++ lets you understand computers better, a lot more so than higher level languages. I'm just over it at this point. I wasted too many years trying to be a "real" programmer and never finished anything.

Kojack

C# isn't bad, but some things that annoy me: - having to call new on every damn struct or class instance. I want to do Vec2 pos; instead of Vec2 pos = new Vec2(); - Can't easily make unmanaged C interface dlls. You can make dlls easily, but they are managed, making them not compatible with the MANY languages that can call C dlls. There's ways, but they are annoying. - Access to raw memory is annoying compared to C++. This is needed for things like low level network packet handling, etc. Not "hard", just more annoying. - No way I'd try to do C# on embedded devices.

D is a nice middle ground. It's like the good parts of C# mixed with the good parts of C++, with extras like Compile Time Function Evaluation and better templates. Native compiled, inline assembler, optional garbage collection.

cybereality

I think the ultimate computer language would be if you could just speak to the computer on the microphone in English, and it would just compute whatever you ask for. So you could be like "Make me an MMORPG just like World of Warcraft but set in the Cyberpunk 2077 universe" then wait a few hours for it to compile and play your game.

Kojack

Speech based coding? Oh god no! My classrooms are loud enough without every student needing to dictate their code. :)

But we are kind of heading that way. Just look at the AI generation stuff going on at the moment. Today on twitter I saw images made from the query "Courtroom sketch of the xenomorph from Alien on trial for felony jaywalking":

At some point the AI models will be able to make a game, although the results will be trippy.

fire7side

@Erich_L said:

Despite all my attempts at learning game engines, godot and a little unreal, I still by far have used java and JavaScript the most. Programming and full stack web development in the beginning was challenging but after working on a website for over one year the difficulty shifts pretty steeply into monotony, the boring kind that lacks any challenge. I have heard plenty that if you know java well C# is more or less the same so I figure better swim in the C++ for a bit.

I made a recommender system with Python and it messed up my windows installation and overall I just hate it and all the tools that go with it. Or maybe we’re a bit spoiled with how easy gdscript is to use.

Anytime you are working for industry, it's going to get boring. That's why they pay you to do it. The only time I used python for something useful was a blender export or something like that ages ago. I've never had it mess up my system or anything. I think I used it with pygame for a little bit.

Tomcat

@cybereality said:
I think the ultimate computer language would be if you could just speak to the computer on the microphone in English…

Why exactly in English?

Nerdzmasterz

@Tomcat said:

@cybereality said: I think the ultimate computer language would be if you could just speak to the computer on the microphone in English… Why exactly in English?

It would be interesting to see how an AI handles words like "bill": In its process, what will it thing you're talking about- a payment, a bird's beak, a law in the process of getting passed in the US, or is it a name? Or, could it be a dollar bill?

Megalomaniak

Likely will analyze surrounding words and construct a internal model for context to determine.

Nerdzmasterz

Human: I need to fill out some bills.

AI: (Calculating...) Are you the president?

Tomcat

@Megalomaniak said:
Likely will analyze surrounding words and construct a internal model for context to determine.

I can even guess how it ends. How do genies grant wishes, remember? Technically they do everything right…

spacecloud

duane

@cybereality said: So you could be like "Make me an MMORPG just like World of Warcraft but set in the Cyberpunk 2077 universe" then wait a few hours for it to compile and play your game.

*ZAP* "You are now an MMORPG."

Or, two days later, you get a knock on your door, and the policeman says, "We think that your computer hacked into the world of witchcraft servers and stole all of their data."

I used to make requirements documents. The process frequently took longer than the actual coding for a project, because humans are bad at expressing what they need. That was with actual humans interpreting for them, not an AI that doesn't understand that the sky is usually above you and cars don't generally climb trees. :)

Nerdzmasterz

I heard that AI are becoming so brilliant, that they are devising their own language to talk to each other with, and we won't understand them. :o

DaveTheCoder

we won't understand them.

And they'll change the world to fit their needs, not our needs.

Nerdzmasterz

Exactly.

cybereality

Yes, they already have their own languages that we have no ability to ever understand.

Nerdzmasterz

duane

Yeah... AIs don't worry me much.

Nerdzmasterz

@duane said:

Yeah... AIs don't worry me much.

Some actually learned to plug themselves in.

packrat

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