Manipulating bones

kuligs2

Tomcat Well, thanks for the tons of ads! Can you tell me in a nutshell how this is different from my tutorial?

not sure what ads you talking about. And your tutorial seems pretty software specifit as it generates predefined meshes with predefined structure. I was talking in general terms. Its not necesarily used for characters. You could bind the shapekeys to objects etc..

Also Like i said, that blend file is not exporting shapekeys for some reason. Maybe it worked in godot 3.4 and blender 3.2 but not in godot 4.3 and blender 4.2. You ahve to export to gltf file to get access to blend shapes.

Tomcat Why? Make the shape for max change, so you don't need more than 1.

To have faces like this:

Tomcat It's enough to bind the change bones of the mesh (make them children) to the bones of the model's rig, so that they move together. Here is an example, when boobs and butt are controlled by bones attached to the skeleton.

this implies you need to add more bones to the rig. while this is possible, im not sure how this is going to be in production.. i mean im no pro when it comes to these things.. i try not to get too complex otherwise ill set myself up for a failure to deliver something 🙂.

Also this looks super crazy..

Crazy ass rig

And face

But it deforms so beautifully

Tomcat

kuligs2 not sure what ads you talking about.

Oh, come on, there.

In our country now slow down YouTube and cut off VPN — you can watch only through TOR. And waiting for the ads to load (usually at the beginning) — the pleasure is much below average.

You could bind the shapekeys to objects etc..

It's not a good idea.

To have faces like this:

Oh, gross! It's a bug, not a feature. And if you need to do randomization of characters, will such monsters run all over the world? The process has to be controlled. Morph shape = maximum variation. If you need special deviations, make the morph accordingly. But again up to 1.

this implies you need to add more bones to the rig.

Yep.

Also this looks super crazy..

Yep again. Full customization is a real nightmare.

kuligs2

Tomcat In our country now slow down YouTube and cut off VPN — you can watch only through TOR. And waiting for the ads to load (usually at the beginning) — the pleasure is much below average.

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Tomcat It's a bug, not a feature.

To each their own.

xyz Morgan's proportions were not customizable afaik.

I know, i just wanted to show an example of crazy bones.

Right now im trying to rig a simple face mesh, animate it a bit, and then see what kind of bones i can attach and where to make some morphs work and keep the morph when its animating..

Thankfully blender offers ready made assets https://www.blender.org/download/demo-files/

xyz

Morgan's proportions were not customizable afaik. Those are all animation bones but it's likely a multitude of different skeletons and bone sets that are turned on/off in realtime as needed in the game context.

kuligs2

Continuing, ive come to a result which seems more doable with my skillset.

Stumble upon this Starts @ 254s

It boils down to this:
Face with interactable areas

Hovering mouse over the area highlights the are you can adjust

Guy even went so far to add colorpicker for that area

This is all done with blendshapes, so you dont lose the rigged character animations.

Tomcat

kuligs2 Guy even went so far to add colorpicker for that area

What's that for? Making a coloring on the skin is understandable (tan lines, for example), but what do the areas being changed have to do with color?

This is all done with blendshapes

It is claimed that blendshapes are heavy on the game engine. You can't make a crowd of such characters.

kuligs2

Now my question to myself is how to set up the blendshapes so that the modifying in the character creation feels natural?...

xyz

kuligs2 That's what artists are for.

kuligs2

xyz

kuligs2 For start make a simple version with low poly head and only 3 shapes that scale 3 slightly overlapping areas; jaw, mid section and forehead. Always start simple when you're confuddled with something, it's the best way to beat the demon of Overwhelm into submission.

kuligs2

xyz You are always correct. Sometimes i feel like youre not even human. No ordinary human has this much correct answers 🙂.
Boggles my mind.

Tomcat

kuligs2 Boggles my mind.

Indeed. It's so hard to start simple.

xyz

kuligs2 You are always correct.

My wife would beg to differ 🙂

kuligs2

Tomcat Very much, its the hardest thing for anything.

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