@uriel said:
The fact that people are looking for jobs and employees are a very good sign to me. And it should be put as a separated "Main sections including sub-sections: Paid works, Voluntary job, Employement and finally Godot Dev job (permanent or temporary). This will make some effect over the new users and community members, and give a chance to access godot´s professional income.
I agree that it is good that people are looking for jobs and employees for Godot. That said, I do not think adding additional categories is going to necessarily help.
I rarely go to the individual categories, but instead use the "Recent Discussions" tab. If most users on the forums do this, which I suspect they do, then adding more categories is not going to make the Professional Trade topics anymore visible than they were before. It will only help those looking through the categories, and only if the topics are properly placed.
This means that both users and the forum staff will need to make sure that topics are placed in the correct categories for additional categories to have a benefit. Right now, I do not think the benefits are worth the extra effort that would make for everyone involved.
@uriel said:
i recommend here to not start a section for people who are looking for job, it doesnt really need this, does it ?
I highly disagree. If we have a Professional Trade section, then it should allow people looking for a job to post.
If we only allow people to post jobs, then the section should be called "Godot Jobs", not "Professional Trade". People who are looking for jobs should be able to post, as employers can see their experience, portfolio, and then potentially contact the user(s) before making a public post. It would be a disservice to those looking for employment if we removed their ability to post that they are looking for jobs.
@uriel said:
... this is enough a responsability for you guys (from the forum, i dont know your name), to moderate the section and look at the content :wink:
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here, to be honest.
If you want to see who is on the forums staff, please check the list of forum staff.
@uriel said:
"Also, but far from it, could be nice to have a section somewhere for community projects (not paid but between users)"
@Megalomaniak said:
I'd say the Projects section is fine for that, with that said while I never had thought about it before I think a community project tag or something like that might be a good addition. What do you think?
I agree with Megalomaniak, that is really what the projects section is for. I'm fine with adding something like "community project" as a tag, because currently do not have something like that and it could be helpful to have.
Well, i dont think you need to change the format, but it would be nice to have some exclusive and optional tags, and i suppose some filters in the search bar :wink:
As for additional filters in the search bar, that is by no means a minor undertaking. Adding additional filters for jobs would require adding additional metadata to all topics, or at least all new topics, and that would require a LOT of work to do correctly.
Right now I don't have the time to dedicate to adding additional filters. If anyone wants to add additional filters, the source code for the plugin is on GitHub.
@uriel said:
... a minimum of format and data is required to validate the post, in some ways...
... and finally, after the date is passed, what is happening after the date ? the discussion is archived ? removed ? i dont know...
If we add something, it should be a template or guideline, and it should not necessarily be required. Different jobs may have different needs, especially when you consider different languages/cultures/etc. That said, having a good guideline/template could be beneficial. As @Megalomaniak said, a guideline/template would require thorough planning and discussion.
As far as validating goes, that would be hard and time consuming to implement.
Writing a custom plugin would be difficult and using an existing plugin has its own issues (and may require modifications). If we use a plugin, we have to make sure it doesn't mark a valid post as invalid, which requires a lot of testing, debugging, and work.
@uriel said:
all thoses features can be done by Vanilla plugins (they all exist in the addon manager), and the sub-categories can be added the simple way :wink:
Even with existing plugins, there is still a lot of additional work that would go into something like this.
Several of the plugins we use on the forums we maintain or make adjustments to. We do this so the plugins work successfully with the forums and the other plugins. On top of this, every plugin we add potentially slows the operation of the forums, introduces security vulnerabilities, and/or does not work with other plugins we have on the forums. Then we have to make sure the style of the plugin matches the forum's theme, and if it doesn't then we need to make adjustments.
Personally, I think it is probably better for those seeking employment/employees in Godot related works to use websites and services specifically designed for professional jobs. Websites like LinkedIn, Upwork, Indeed, Freelancer, or Flexjobs for example.
(Side note: I'm not endorsing or saying any these websites are the best for finding jobs, I'm just saying they are structured specifically for the task of helping employees find jobs and employers post jobs)
Posting and looking for jobs on websites/services dedicated to professional jobs is a win-win situation for the community. Having more Godot related activity on professional jobs sites/services will help cement Godot development as a viable job opportunity. Those looking for jobs will be more visible to those within the industry and will have experience using tools that can help them land jobs in other parts of the industry.
I think here on the forums, we'll have a pretty hard time competing with the features, support, and visibility of websites/services designed specifically for jobs. The forums should be for the community first and foremost.
I'm not sure anyone has actually gotten any work done through the Professional Trade section. I personally have not seen any topics with the Professional Trade section leading to a completed job publicly in the 3+ years I've been on the forums. It could be jobs are completed privately, but I imagine they'd close the topic and/or marked that they are not looking for jobs anymore.
To be honest, if the Professional Trade section has not actually helped anyone, then we might want to remove it. There is little reason for having a section that is not benefiting anyone.
Regardless, these are just my opinions. I do appreciate the feedback, I'm just not sure on how viable implementing the changes will be.
