Linux for gamedev

kuligs2

like with anything new, you have to learn to use it, or just use what you already know. Spend time.. its a subjective matter.. most free LLM's can point you in correct direction and fix your little issue when it comes to linux and stuff.

you can also install deb packaged on arch using dpkg i think.. cant remember the name.. i know ive done it myself..

From personal experience, i was jabbed by ubuntu and debian, arch will leave you with some battle scars. And you know ladies love battle scars "D

Most things are faster with terminal, i use it more often than endlessly clicking through menus just to do one thing i know what i want..

when i was setting up my system and all the apps, i pre written the apps i wanted and just pasted the long ass command into the terminal and it did the thing while i had free time to do other things.. And all apps were set up.. no time wasted searching for download now page or endlessly browsing app manager etc etc..

Debian unstable broke my system when i was testing it, and debian stable didnt have all the apps i wanted to use and many that they had were outdated...

For servers i use debian.. but now that 13 is out, i have to upgrade all my servers, but im too lazy.. At some point in time they will stop releasing upgrades and the 12 will not be able to upgrade.. that you have to keep in mind aswell the mega system upgrades..

In any case - btrfs so that you can backup system with snapshots, just in case, and the rest is applications that you want to use

Tomcat

kuligs2 What do you mean by that.. No proprietary RBG, MSI afterburner, or any other bloat that companies make for windows is on linux.

It's hard to call color management, especially color temperature, bloate. There are also additional buttons on the mouse—can they be used on Linux? I suspect they can, but the program for reassigning their actions is only available for Windows. What programs are there for monitoring disk health and CPU temperature?

kuligs2

Tomcat i think im having dejavu, im positive someone already asked this here on forums.

Taskmanager - missioncenter https://flathub.org/en/apps/io.missioncenter.MissionCenter Not sure about disk health..
For mouse buttons - youre out of luck if its not supportted by piper https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.freedesktop.Piper
Check if youre mouse is in here
https://github.com/libratbag/libratbag/tree/master/data/devices

Im giving you links to flathub cuz they have fancy description and images, best to use native packages as mentioned before.

DaveTheCoder

Tomcat It seems that MakeHuman can be (relatively) easily installed only on Ubuntu.

That's a common situation with Linux. Unlike Windows, Linux is not owned or controlled by a company, so availability of software often depends on someone having the motivation and time to create it.
If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines...

Tomcat An Internet downloader, as a plugin or separate program, allows you to download files faster than standard browser tools and, in the event of a connection failure, continues downloading from the point of interruption.

Since I have a fast internet connection, I haven't looked for tools to speed up downloading. But they probably exist for Linux. I think those tools "cheat", though, by creating multiple connections to a server, which can impact the server, similar to a DDoS attack.

Sometimes I use a command-line tool, curl, for dealing with the connection failure issue.
https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/108952#issuecomment-3212534317

Tomcat

DaveTheCoder But they probably exist for Linux. I think those tools "cheat", though, by creating multiple connections to a server, which can impact the server, similar to a DDoS attack.

Yeah, that's how they work. But they usually limit the max number of connections to 10 for all files. They often use 2-3 connections per file, which gives a noticeable speed boost and doesn't put too much strain on the server. My internet connection is not too slow either (fiber optic to my apartment), but wasting time waiting for downloads is not my goal.

However, everything turned out to be easier.

https://itsfoss.com/best-download-managers-linux/

And even my usual FDM has a version just for Ubuntu… I didn't expect that.

https://www.freedownloadmanager.org/download-fdm-for-linux.htm

Some problems have been solved, while others require practical experience.

Are there any problems with installing Ubuntu on RAID?

DaveTheCoder

Tomcat Are there any problems with installing Ubuntu on RAID?

I don't have experience with that, but I found this:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID

Or is it hardware RAID? A long time ago I had hardware RAID on a computer, but that was handled by the BIOS, so it wouldn't be affected by the operating system.

Tomcat

DaveTheCoder Or is it hardware RAID?

Intel VROC + ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4 Card

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/software/virtual-raid-on-cpu-vroc.html

Tomcat

DaveTheCoder Or is it hardware RAID?

Here's what I found. It's not very clear.

https://docs.graidtech.com/vroc/Reactive/000098903_How_to_Get_the_Latest_Intel_Virtual_RAID_on_CPU_Intel_VROC_Driver_for_Linux/

Tomcat

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Toxe

I have one small bit of advice that I give to everyone trying out Linux: Don't treat it as "Windows with a different stroke of paint" but as a different operating system and desktop environment. So, be open to learning new and different ways of doing things.

20 years ago, when every year was annoyingly hyped up as "The year of Linux on the Desktop!", countless people tried Linux but disappointingly went back to Windows because what they really wanted was Windows, but a less shittier Windows. But what they got was a completely different system and they had no patience learning the differences.

It's actually the same with people who have to occasionally work with macOS and then end up complaining all the time because they never understood that macOS very, very much doesn't want to be Windows at all.

Also keep in mind that "Linux" per se is just the underlying operating system. But everything you use to interact with it, be it text shell, terminal, window manager or desktop environment, comes in countless flavors. Chances are that you won't like one of the defaults that came with your distribution but certainly somewhere out there is just the one for your tastes.

And while confusing at the beginning this is actually a strength of Linux over other closed systems, because it lets everyone find or make "their Linux".

Tomcat

kuligs2 Honestly, why are you even switching from windows?

Sanctions.
Collection of personal information.
Development policy.
I am not impressed by BG and M$.
There is some time to try something else.

Install windows ltsc

There are problems with LTSC:

What is LTSC, and is it the right choice for you?

TL;DR if you're uncertain, avoid LTSC and choose the general availability channel and its editions (Home, Pro, Enterprise, etc).

https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

i think im having dejavu, im positive someone already asked this here on forums.

There is no general topic on Linux, and the “ribbon” structure of the forum does not facilitate convenient searching. Therefore, some questions will be repeated. However, it was said in that topic that there was no convenient way to track things at that time. The question was asked because something might have appeared over time.

debloat windows with tits
https://christitus.com/windows-tool/

How is this better than ExplorerPatcher?

https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

Проверьте, есть ли ваша мышь здесь.
https://github.com/libratbag/libratbag/tree/master/data/devices

My Mad Catz mice aren't even mentioned there.

If you are not willing to put an effort and some time to learn something new, then there is no reason for you to switch.

The question is whether these efforts will pay off — whether they are worth it and will ease the harsh fate of the gamedev, or whether it is a waste of time.

Toxe It's actually the same with people who have to occasionally work with macOS and then end up complaining all the time because they never understood that macOS very, very much doesn't want to be Windows at all.

I didn't use a MAC at home, but I had to work with it quite a lot at work and didn't notice much difference.

DaveTheCoder

Toxe I have one small bit of advice that I give to everyone trying out Linux: Don't treat it as "Windows with a different stroke of paint" but as a different operating system and desktop environment. So, be open to learning new and different ways of doing things.

Absolutely.

I started out by dual booting Windows and Linux. I would boot back and forth, using a shared FAT32 partition which both OS's could read and write. It took quite a while before I "cut the strings" and decided that I could do everything I needed in Linux.

This discussion forum was a good resource in my early Linux days, and it looks like it's still active:
https://linuxquestions.org/

kuligs2

Honestly, why are you even switching from windows?
Install windows ltsc

debloat windows with tits
https://christitus.com/windows-tool/

And just be done with it..

If you are not willing to put an effort and some time to learn something new, then there is no reason for you to switch.

Tomcat

kuligs2 debloat windows with tits
https://christitus.com/windows-tool/

It's paid. LOL

https://christitus.com/downloads/

kuligs2

Tomcat are you dense? its free

https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil

The guy wants money for the work he did.. so its not allowed if its software but its allowed if its any other thing? lol

I used it and never paid nobody

Tomcat

Thank you all for your answers! In the end, I got very sick and decided to postpone the experiments. I'll try installing Win again. (Especially since the programs for Win that no one here has heard of allow you to do things that no one suspects, and I will miss that greatly.) And I'll try switching to Linux in the future, gradually, following @DaveTheCoder's recipe.

DaveTheCoder using a shared FAT32 partition which both OS's could read and write.

Is there another format that both systems can work with? FAT32 looks very sad.

Tomcat

kuligs2 The guy wants money for the work he did.. so its not allowed if its software but its allowed if its any other thing?

It's perfectly normal to expect payment for work done. But I already said that I can't pay anything at all because of sanctions. I'm not sure you're able to understand that.

are you dense?

dense is someone who launches PowerShell (Admin) and grants full access to their computer from a dubious website. I've never heard of this nonsense before and I don't trust it.

I've heard your opinion and that's enough for me.

DaveTheCoder

Tomcat Is there another format that both systems can work with? FAT32 looks very sad.

These days Linux can read and write NTFS. Back when I was dual-booting Windows and Linux, Linux NTFS support was limited.

Maybe Windows can read and write Linux file systems. There are several choices. I use Ext4. I don't know since I haven't used Windows for a long time.

I don't know if I would trust Linux to modify the Windows system partition. MS does tricks to discourage that. But it should be fine for a separate data partition or external device.

kuligs2

DaveTheCoder 2 scenarios, both were experiencedin real life.

1) You - archlinux - had outdated ntfs package and thus corrupt your ntfs partitions.
2) You successfully can use ntfs with the ntfs-3g package

My ssd got corrupted when i was doing writes on it from linux, before i installed the ntfs-3g. so i reformatted it as ext4 and it was fine..

My hdd 10tb, was using the bad package but i didnt do writes on it, and it survived.. still is ntfs. Can do read and writes no problem.

Steam, however, cant install/use games on linux from ntfs partition. Youll have to recopy to linux filesystem

Im not sure windows can read ext4 natively.

Linux however can safely use ntfs with ntfs-3g. Archlinux comes bare, so if you didnt know you needed it, it probably used something else to do the job and job got corrupted.. Or, maybe my ssd was dying/is, its very old and seen many writes/reads over the years.

I built nas, that is zfs filesystem and for windows, use i had to enable samba on it.

And on linux i still use samba to access it 😃 much easier to set up, permission wise.

Tomcat

DaveTheCoder I don't know if I would trust Linux to modify the Windows system partition. MS does tricks to discourage that. But it should be fine for a separate data partition or external device.

I realized long ago that different operating systems need to be installed on different physical disks.

DaveTheCoder California's government are the toddlers, and no one should pay any attention to them.

kuligs2 Brasil now released the LAW that in 13 days all OSes needs to verify age..

Well, I understand that any issue in the modern world boils down to politics. But this was somewhat unexpectedly quick. 😸

Perhaps I will only point out the obvious, that a population that is prohibited from owning weapons is, in essence and in fact, not free citizens, but slaves. This stems from the very idea of democracy when it was formed as a concept (by my distant ancestors). 🔫

Sasinosoft_Games These days I am on Windows on my main PC

Why did you return to Windows?

goldangelcorp

I heard that Fedora distro is a good deal for gamedev (I dont know why). You can try on virtual machine.

kuligs2

goldangelcorp every linux distro pretty much use the same packages/drivers.. if it works on one, it would work on another.. the difference is how often they release new kernel for that distro, and kernel is what drives your hardware.. Sometimes kernel allows you to use new/old hardware that you couldnt before, sometimes it breaks something that works right now.

Everything else depends what apps you want to use and if the distro officially packages them for you.

like for instance, i bought logitech PRO X 2 but on current kernel i was not able to turn off mouse acceleration. with kernel 7.0, i was able to turn it off..

Now 7.0 is not released officially but you can compile it yourself and use it.

Personally i didnt like fedora because its not customizable, and the apps i wanted to use they didnt package.
Same with openSuse - it was buggy out of the box with my hardware. Maybe outdated kernel at the time i installed it.
Debian, had outdated packages, like blender was at ver 4.2 or something but debian packaged 3.5 and when i upgraded to debian unstable, it broke the system.. with random desktop glitches
Ubuntu, kinda works, but it feels like windows, it updates when it wants and sends telemetry when it wants.. idk.. i dont trust it.. and didnt like gnome on multi-display setups.
PopOS, is like windows and ubuntu, it forces you tu update, and even if notifivations set to dnd it still pops up to update.. annoying.. and it wasnt smooth on desktop..
Linux mint, works for web browsing and single monitors - laptops. Because its not wayland. Packages are a bit old but you get flatpaks. Stable and not annoying. But sucks with multiple displays.. I havent tried to use wayland as of late.. year or more ago when i tried it it was buggy.. maybe its better now..